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Konu: sıfat cümleciğinin kısaltılmış hali

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    Ümit Hoca Misafir
    Alıntı Kili isimli üyeden alıntı
    Çoğu zaman adverbial clauselar ile adjective clauselar'ı bir birine karıştırıyorlar. Verdiğim linkteki bilgiye elbetteki katılmıyorum. Bilgiyi gönderenin de kim olduğunu bilmiyorum. İngilizcesi bozuk zaten..

    Having+past participle yapılar adjective clauselarda kullanılmıyor.

    My friend Ahmet, having come back from Ankara, was very tired. Adverbial clause olarak doğru adjectival clause olarak yanlıştır.

    yahı bunlar farketmez; non-defini yapı zaten adı üzerinde sıfat değil; çeviride de ister sebe olarak, ister after vs. olarak ister sıfat olarak çevir farketmez; participle ile yapılabilmesi bizatihi o yüzden zaten; daha önce uzun uzun da yazmıştım; lakin site çökünce o da çöktü gitti; inat etme bu yapılar ha adverb ha adjective farketmez;


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    Alıntı SeyfiHoca isimli üyeden alıntı
    ama kili hocam els öyle demiyor. inanın ben de şaşkın bir haldeyim.

    Aynı kuralları göz önüne alarak, non-defining relative clause'larda da kısaltma yapabiliriz. Kısaltılan bölümü yine virgülle cümlenin devamından ayırmamız gerekir.
    Her parents, whoexpect her to get a high grade, will be disappointed if she can't.
    Her parents, expecting her to get a high grade, will be disappointed if she can't.
    Mary, whowanted to make an impression on the teacher, studied very hard.
    Mary, wanting to make an impression on the teacher, studied very hard.
    My son, whois playing with children over there, is very sensitive.
    My son,
    playing with children over there, is very sensitive.

    Yazarlar dalmış, bu cümleler yanlış çünkü non-definingler reduced yapılmaz.

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    Alıntı Kili isimli üyeden alıntı
    Yazarlar dalmış, bu cümleler yanlış çünkü non-definingler reduced yapılmaz.
    Kili hocama katılıyorum. Non-defininglerin reduction'ından bahseden bir gramer kitabı gösterin ikna olayım :corkysm60: Evet ben de linkteki Clive gibi düşünmüştüm. "..., gone to Ankara" olabilirdi ama onunda clumsy olduğunu söylüyor.
    Konu Scorpion tarafından (08-02-07 Saat 23:52 ) değiştirilmiştir.
    Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
    Albert Einstein

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    3. Reduction of relative clauses

    You can sometimes reduce a defining relative clause to create a more concise style. You cannot reduce a non-defining clause.
    • Half of the training sessions (that are) arranged for the athletes have been cancelled due to bad weather.
    • The foreigner (who/whom) you saw at the party last night is Giorgio Armani!
    bence bunu yazan kişinin reduction mantığı farklı. non-defining mantığı da.

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    Ben pek çok native web sitelerinde bunu gördüm. Mesela TIK


    "the scientists, writing in Nature, warned smoking cannabis would not have the same effect. "

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    Alıntı Kili isimli üyeden alıntı
    Çoğu zaman adverbial clauselar ile adjective clauselar'ı bir birine karıştırıyorlar. Verdiğim linkteki bilgiye elbetteki katılmıyorum. Bilgiyi gönderenin de kim olduğunu bilmiyorum. İngilizcesi bozuk zaten..

    Having+past participle yapılar adjective clauselarda kullanılmıyor.

    My friend Ahmet, having come back from Ankara, was very tired. Adverbial clause olarak doğru adjectival clause olarak yanlıştır.
    Bu söylediğinize katılıyorum Kili hocam;

    When my friend Ahmet had come back from Ankara, he was very tired.
    Upon having come back from Ankara, he was very tired.
    Having come back from Ankara, he was very tired.

    Ancak non-defining relative clause'larda en azından 'relative pronoun+to be' indirgemesinin olacağından eminim. Aşağıdaki Clive'ın örneğinde 'gone' sıfat görevinde bir participle olarak kullanılmış ve cümle indirgenmiş.

    Ahmet, (who was) gone to Ankara yesterday, was a friend of mine from high-school.

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    Alıntı Efe Cevher isimli üyeden alıntı
    Bu söylediğinize katılıyorum Kili hocam;

    When my friend Ahmet had come back from Ankara, he was very tired.
    Upon having come back from Ankara, he was very tired.
    Having come back from Ankara, he was very tired.

    Ancak non-defining relative clause'larda en azından 'relative pronoun+to be' indirgemesinin olacağından eminim. Aşağıdaki Clive'ın örneğinde 'gone' sıfat görevinde bir participle olarak kullanılmış ve cümle indirgenmiş.

    Ahmet, (who was) gone to Ankara yesterday, was a friend of mine from high-school.

    Clive bunun doğru ve doğal olmadığını söylüyor zaten Efeciğim. Bu güne kadar ,non-defininglerde reduction olmaz diye öğrendim. Hangi gramer kitaplarında okuduğumu bir çıkarsam iş çözülecek biraz karıştırayım...

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    Martin Hewings bu konuya additional noun phrases diyerek değinmiş;

    Dr. Alex Parr, director of the State Museum, is to become the government's arts adviser.

    Kaynak: Advanced Grammar in Use 56-A nolu entry.
    Konu Efe Cevher tarafından (09-02-07 Saat 00:17 ) değiştirilmiştir.

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    bende de şu bilgi var.



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    Bakın bendeki "Advanced English Practice" B.D GRAVER şöyle diyor: Tam karıştırmadım ama ilk gözüme çarpanlardan biri şu:


    A further point of contrast between defining and non-defining clauses is that the relative pronoun cannot be omitted in non-defining clauses, even if it is not the subject of its clause :
    a) The victoria Line, which the queen opened in 1969, was London's first complete new tube for 60 years. (which=object)

    The victoria Line , the queen opened, was London's first complete new tube..

    diyemiyoruz. Biraz daha karıştırayım..

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    Alıntı Kili isimli üyeden alıntı
    Bakın bendeki "Advanced English Practice" B.D GRAVER şöyle diyor: Tam karıştırmadım ama ilk gözüme çarpanlardan biri şu:


    A further point of contrast between defining and non-defining clauses is that the relative pronoun cannot be omitted in non-defining clauses, even if it is not the subject of its clause :
    a) The victoria Line, which the queen opened in 1969, was London's first complete new tube for 60 years. (which=object)

    The victoria Line , the queen opened, was London's first complete new tube..

    diyemiyoruz. Biraz daha karıştırayım..
    ama "..., opened by the queen..." diyebiliriz.
    Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
    Albert Einstein

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    Non-finite clauses

    8.117 A non-finite clause is a subordinate clause which contains a participle or an infinitive, but which does not contain a finite verb.

    There are two kinds of non-finite clause. One kind begins with a subordinating conjunction.

    Quite often while talking to you they'd stand on one foot.
    You've got to do something in depth in order to understand it.

    This hind of clause is dealt with fn the sections on adverbial clauses (paragraphs 8.8 to 8.82).

    The other kind of non-finite clause does not begin with a subordinating conjunction.

    He pranced about, feeling very important indeed.
    I wanted to talk to her.

    This kind of clause sometimes consists of a participle and nothing else.

    Ellen shook her head, smiling.
    Bet, grumbling, had departed to her harp lesson.

    Clauses which contain a participle and do not begin with a subordinate conjunction are explained in the following paragraphs.

    8.118 The non-finite clauses discussed in this section function the similar way to relative clauses, and, like relative clauses, they can have a defining or non-defining function.

    Non-defining clauses are dealt with in paragraphs 8.120 to 8.131. These clauses are often used in writing, but are not usually used in spoken English.

    Defining clauses are dealt with in paragraphs 8.132 and 8.133. These clauses are occasionally used in both written and spoken English.

    8.119 Non-defining clauses can go in front of a main clause, after a main clause, or in the middle of one. A non-defining clause is usually separated by a comma from the words in front of it and after it.

    Defining clauses always go after a noun group. You never put a comma in front of a defining clause.

    Using non-defining clauses

    8.120 Non-defining clauses give further information which is not needed to identify the person, thing, or group you are talking about.

    The following paragraphs 8.121 to 8.126 explain how these clauses are used when they relate to the subject of the verb in a main clause. The subject is not mentioned in the non-defining clause.

    8.121 If you want to say that someone is doing or experiencing two things at the same time, you mention one of them in the main clause and the other in a clause containing a present participle.

    Laughing and shrieking, the crowd rushed under the nearest trees.
    Jane watched, weeping, from the doorway.
    Feeling a little foolish, Pluskat hung up.
    Walking about, you notice something is different.
    People stared at her. Seeing herself in a shop window, she could understand why.


    8.122 If you want to say that someone did one thing immediately after another, you mention the first action in a clause containing a present participle and the second one in the main clause.

    Leaping out of bed, he dressed so quickly that he put his boots on the wrong feet.

    8.123 If you want to explain why someone does something or why something happens, you say what happens in the main clause and give the reason in a clause containing a present participle.

    At one point I made up my mind to go and talk to Uncle Sam. Then I changed my mind, realising that he could do nothing to help.
    The baby would probably not live to grow up, being a scrawny little thing, unlikely to survive the normal ailments of childhood.


    8.124 You can also use a present participle directly after a verb in a sentence such as 'I stood shivering at the roadside'. This use is explained in paragraphs 3.190 to 3.203.

    8.125 If you want to say that someone did or experienced one thing before another, you mention the first thing in a clause containing 'having' and a past participle. Often this kind of construction indicates that the second event was a result of the first one.

    I did not feel terribly shocked, having expected him to take the easiest way out.
    Having married very late, he was only a year short a fifty when I was born.


    8.126 If you want to say what happened to someone or something before a situation or event described in the main clause, you say what happened in a clause containing a past participle on its own.
    The novels of Mary Webb, praised by Stanley Baldwin and so popular in the 30s, were great favourites of mine.
    Angered by the policies of the union, she wrote a letter to the General Secretary.


    8.127 Sometimes you want to use a non-defining clause which has a different subject from the subject of the main clause. These clauses are explained in the following paragraphs 8.128 to 8.131.

    8.128 In this kind of non-defining clause, you usually have to mention the subject.

    Ashton being dead, the whole affair must now be laid before Colonel Browne.

    However, if the non-defining clause comes after the main clause, and it is clear from the context that it relates to the object of the main clause, you do not need to mention the object again.

    They picked the up, kicking and bawling, and carried me up the road.

    8.129 You use a non-defining clause containing a subject and a present participle:

    • when you want to mention something that is happening at the same time as the event or situation described in the main clause

    Her eyes glistening with tears, she stood up and asked the Council: 'What am I to do?'

    • when you want to mention a fact that is relevant to the fact stated in the main clause.

    Bats are surprisingly long-lived creatures, some having a life-expectancy of around twenty years.

    'With' is sometimes added at the beginning of the non-finite clause.

    The old man stood up with tears running down his face.

    8.130 You use 'having' and a past participle to mention something which happened before the thing described in the main clause.

    About twice a month, enough evidence having accumulated, the police would feel obliged to stage a raid.
    The Border having become more settled, they had selected a site near the Kalpani River.
    George having been carried to his cabin, Ash had gone up to the deserted deck.
    The subject having been opened, he had to go on with it.


    You use a past participle on its own to say that something was done or completed before the event or situation described in the main clause.

    He proceeded to light his pipe. That done, he put on his woollen scarf art went out.

    8.131 In a negative non-defining clause, you put 'not' in front of the participle, or in front of 'having'.

    He paused, not wishing to boast.
    He failed to recognize her at first, not having seen her for fifteen years or so.
    He began hitting them with his stick, their reply not having come as quickly as he wanted.


    Collin Cobuild English Grammar
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    Konu Scorpion tarafından (09-02-07 Saat 00:46 ) değiştirilmiştir.
    Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
    Albert Einstein

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    bu konuda yusuf buz ocanın kitabından alıntı


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    The book which was revised carefully is going to be published two days later.

    The book having been revised carefully is going to be published two days later.

    İlk iki örnek tamam ama üçüncü cümle için bu şekilde bir indirgeme yapılamaz kanaatindeyim. Perfect participle relative clause'da öncelik anlamı vermek için kullanılamaz Aşağıdaki şekilde yapılması gerekirdi diye düşünüyorum.

    The book revised carefully is going to be published two days later.


    Aşağıdaki cümle bende iki farklı adverbial yapı çağrışımı yapıyor.

    The book having been revised carefully is going to be published two days later.

    After it has been revised carefully, the book is going to be published two days later.

    veya

    Since it has been revised carefully, the book is going to be published two days later.

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    Bu tür örnekleri genelde Türk yazarlarınkinde çok görüyorum.Yabancı kaynaklarda görmedim. Acaba Adverbialları ve Participle yapıları Adjective clauselarla karıştırdıkları için mi? Sanki yusuf buz'un örneklerinde "as/after/because/since v.s" gibi anlamlar var.

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    Revised carefully, the book is going to be published two days later.
    Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
    Albert Einstein

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    katılıyorum hocam.

    sonuçta yapılan bir dönüştürme (transformation) işlemi var. bu after/when/because içeren cümlelerden de olabiliyor relative clause içeren cümlelerden de. sanırım ikisi bir tutuluyor.

    zaten önemli olan sonuç değil mi? farklı kaynaklar farklı isimlerle ansa da. zaten sınavda kalkıpta adamlar bize şunu şuna dönüştürün demicekler ya! önemli olan bence bir metin içinde bu tarz bir yapı ile karşılaştığında kişinin doğru şeyi anlaması. gramer sorusu çıkarsa da eminim doğru cevap dışında makul bir seçenek olmayacak, diğer şıklar mutlaka daha net gerekçelerle elenecektir

    diye düşünüyorum nacizane.

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    Alıntı Recep Hoca isimli üyeden alıntı
    Revised carefully, the book is going to be published two days later.
    Buda indirgendikten sonra cümle başına taşınmış bir non-defining relative clause Demek ki taşınabiliyormuş

    P.S. Herkese iyi geceler

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