Arkadadaşlar sınav sorularını çözmek ne kadar İngilizcemizi geliştirir? Samimi olalım. Ben İngilizcemizi geliştireceği yönünde hiç de olumlu düşünmüyorum. Tıpkı çok çalışan uzuvların büyümesi ve gelişmesi gibi, dil de kullanılarak gelişir. Native bölümünde bir tartışma konusu açılarak veya non-native bölümünde bir tartışma yaratılarak hem bir şeyler öğrenebiliriz, hem de öğretebiliriz. Valla samimi bir itirafta bulunayım, dilimi kullanmak açısından englishforums kendi sitemden daha faydalı( Arkadaşlar kızacak farkındayım:)). Yahu adı dilforum olan bir dil sitesinde İngilizce yazışılmazsa daha nasıl yeni bir şeyler öğrenilir. Hem üstelik native speakerlar da dahil olsa bu işe kötü mü olur? Birbirimize laf yetiştirmekten, İngilizceyi kullandığımız yok,(ben de dahil). Böyle İngilizce filan gelişmez.Ohhhhh be söyledim rahatladım .........:eek:

You have a good point, Sir. If only we were as willing and determined to use English in our messages as we are in asking questions and waiting for answers. Each of us should write or ask something in English every day so that all of us can benefit.

I can agree with you to some extent. But do not miss that point: Lots of people came here just to take some understandable answers for their dilemmas. What chances can we stand against NATIVE-CENTERED similar forums if we don't answer members' questions in their native language, Turkish?

at least some of use may open threads in english every day and the rest may answer them using english..

I can agree with you to some extent. But do not miss that point: Lots of people came here just to take some understandable answers for their dilemmas. What chances can we stand against NATIVE-CENTERED similar forums if we don't answer members' questions in their native language, Turkish?

Asking and answering in the First Language (L1) is sort of a loophole for most of us Mamger.We should admit it.

Shall I stop giving examples?

i am agree with you.using a language is the best way to improve it.
but i think we had better do it in just a particular topic.because some members are here to solve their problems about their future life and it can be hard to talk about their problems in english.
Anyway, thanks for the well-thougth suggestion,sir:] (and 'course, forgive me for my gramatical mistakes...)

Shall I stop giving examples?

When did you start it Kemalkasap?:confused:

Asking and answering in the First Language (L1) is sort of a loophole for most of us Mamger.We should admit it.

You bet it has a lot to do with our choices, but if we want to "speak" our language, or want to improve it, why don't we ask sound questions in native moderated section? Or why don't we make this on a regular basis?

Türkçe öğrenen bir İngiliz düşünelim. Önünde Türkçe dilbilgisi kitabı var. Hem çalışıyor hem de soru çözüyor. Karşısına şöyle bir soru çıkıyor:

Bana ___________ uzatır mısın domatesleri keseceğim de.

a- keseri b- baltayı c- bıçağı d- sopayı

Doğru cevabı hemen buluyor ve mutlu oluyor. “Bu c şıkkı olmalı. Evet evet bu kesin c şıkkı” diyerek bir başka soruya geçiyor.

İngiliz, akşam saatlerinde televizyonunu açıyor ve Türkçe kanallardan birisinde şöyle bir diyaloğa şahit oluyor:

A: Bıçak kemiğe dayandı olm napıcaz?
B: Ben ne bileyim lan onun bıçak altına yatacağını. İnsan önceden bir haber verir yahu.
A: Biliyorsun o kimselere haber vermez zaten. Artık sabrım kalmadı.
B: Olm ne demişler “bıçağı kestiren kendi suyu, insanı sevdiren kendi huyudur”

İngiliz, büyük bir moral bozukluğu ile televizyounun başından kalkar ve bıçak kelimesinin ne anlama geldiğine bir kere daha bakmaya karar verir.

Bizim durumumuz da bundan farksız mı acaba? :stretch:

When did you start it Kemalkasap?:confused:
Since the day I subscribe to the forum...

i'm agree with buhurdanlık.also we can understand our mistakes in grammar and learn lots of thingswhile writing english.i open to all the goods ideas for teaching english path ways Mr Kili teacher.
but one reason left:we are slower than before:)

Sevgili Kili,kendini ingilizce Türkçe kadar iyi ifade eden bir insan için dedikleriniz doğru olabilir. Mesela ben bu mesajı ingilizce yazmaya kalksam en az 3 katı süre harcamam gerekecekti ve kendimi tam anlamıyla ifade edip edemediğim meçhul olacak. Bu forumu bizler biraz daha farklı amaçlarla kullanıyoruz sanırım. Bnm mesela salı günü yatay geçiş için hacettepe de sınavım var. Ver bilmediğim, kafama çok takılan konuları hocalarıma danışmak, tecrübelerinden yararlanmak istiyorum.Sorulara ingilizce cevaplar vererek tabiki inglizcemizi geliştiremeyiz. Onun için de ayrı sohbet başlıkları atıp ingilizcenizi geliştirebilirsiniz. Biz o düzeye gelememiş olanlarda sorularımıza Türkçe karşılıklar alarak belkide geleceğimizi etkileyecek sınavlarda hocalarımızın tecrübelerinden yararlanarak daha yüksek başarılar elde edebiliriz.Ayrıca mehmet hocam size bir kaç şey danışmak istiyordum sınavdan önce ama, özel mesaj atamıyorum. Forumda yeni olduğum için bilmiyorum. Nasıl yapabileceğimi söylerseniz memnun olurum. Salı günü sınava gireceğim de.. Şİmdiden teşekkürler

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you say and donT be sad

Another good point struck by Kili, The Master :)... As far as I know, most of our members are here to get some help for their written exams such as KPDS, UDS, YDS, KPSS, SS fuhr Fuhrer. For this reason, we have to keep going on providing assitance to them. On the other hand, we can open a lot more threads in English than as of today. I think many of those threads will naturally have attention of natives.

Bir mesajımı bulun, adımın üzerine sol tık yapın, açılan yerde "özel mesaj gönder" diye bir yer var.

Sevgili Kili,kendini ingilizce Türkçe kadar iyi ifade eden bir insan için dedikleriniz doğru olabilir. Mesela ben bu mesajı ingilizce yazmaya kalksam en az 3 katı süre harcamam gerekecekti ve kendimi tam anlamıyla ifade edip edemediğim meçhul olacak. Bu forumu bizler biraz daha farklı amaçlarla kullanıyoruz sanırım. Bnm mesela salı günü yatay geçiş için hacettepe de sınavım var. Ver bilmediğim, kafama çok takılan konuları hocalarıma danışmak, tecrübelerinden yararlanmak istiyorum.Sorulara ingilizce cevaplar vererek tabiki inglizcemizi geliştiremeyiz. Onun için de ayrı sohbet başlıkları atıp ingilizcenizi geliştirebilirsiniz. Biz o düzeye gelememiş olanlarda sorularımıza Türkçe karşılıklar alarak belkide geleceğimizi etkileyecek sınavlarda hocalarımızın tecrübelerinden yararlanarak daha yüksek başarılar elde edebiliriz.Ayrıca mehmet hocam size bir kaç şey danışmak istiyordum sınavdan önce ama, özel mesaj atamıyorum. Forumda yeni olduğum için bilmiyorum. Nasıl yapabileceğimi söylerseniz memnun olurum. Salı günü sınava gireceğim de.. Şİmdiden teşekkürler

I share your concerns. "rules-of-thumb" that has to do with KPDS-UDS-YDS exams are better to be given in Turkish.

PS: No, my english isn't as good as you think it is. If you asked a native speaker he could easily expose my mistakes.

ı wish we wrote each other in english, too....ı support you kili for this topic...

In order to do his we should be insistent enough. From now on I will, at least, try to write in English except very very Turkish-must-needed topics :D:D

Mr Kili is definitely right. I,too, am of the opinion that something like this needs to be in a separate thread in this way some other members can take advantage of other threads
respects

i think so,to improve the language that we try to learn we should speak in this language...at least,we should try it.im definitely agree with the members who say that speaking english is more useful to improve our english..

but sometimes i can be necessary to speak in turkish what we will do at that time?

but sometimes i can be necessary to speak in turkish what we will do at that time?

speak turkish :Di just think that we should make an effort to make our dreams true in english.that's to say we should try to speak english.but i am not the one of the english people so i can make some mistakes while i speak.sometimes when i fail in this path,i should speak in my own language to find my mistakes out..i guess.

I agree with Kili. From now on, let's speak English on our website. If you think you need the explanation in Turkish, just say that. The people who are answering you will immediately switch to Turkish. Speaking Turkish all the time will not help us improve our English. Practice makes perfect. We can learn from our mistakes, but if we don't know what our mistakes are, how can we improve our English? Yes, that's right. We will have to spend more time to prepare our posts, but at the same time we will learn more.

when i was at prepare class (:confused: ) we used to improve our english by speaking about the things we had done at weekend or just by finding something to tell.but in the last 3 years i only read english,did not write or speak.this way could be useful to make our rusty mind work again.and also be good for realizing our mistakes from the examples of our teachers.
i know a russian girl whose english is really bad,and far from grammer rules.but in spite of this she's writing long long mails with her disastrous eng. and she's improving it day by day. we can be a good eng. speaker only if we try hard.:icon_tup:

That is the point.Knowing grammatical rules of English and being able to communicate in English are two different things.

"Knowing is using" I defend this idea from the very begining.Beside defending I opened a few "brainstorming section topics" to motivate and to encourage the usage.Unfortunatelly I couldn't reach my aims since it gained little attention and participation. :sh1a:

As mods and the ones who can use English effectively ,what we have to do is just to cause the members to try communicate in English by creating significant writing , discussion or brainstorming topics and to take part in them

I was just wondering what on earth was happening while I was trying to help dear students with their questions asked in English :)) Now I see but as is mentioned above there are members here who are good at grammar as they are preparing for any exam but maybe not at speaking and if a decision like that is taken, I do not think they will like it as they may think otherwise . There may be threads requiring English instead .Another point is that what about people speaking other languages , then things go how?:)) Of course these what I think that is it:))

THERE ARE NEW COMERS, NEW LEARNERS but then suddenly NEW GOERS!:))

I always tell my close mates; There is no point in learning a language however well you're successful in grammar ,writing or etc. As we know that even a baby can bring up by speaking his/ her mother tongue.So ,if we 're learning a new language initially we have to know how to practice.It is essential to each person now matter what they're.
Eventually I wanna point out someting.From now on, let's argue our topics in english not turkish.Cos I am definitely sure that we 'll see its benefit soon.


All the best.

we can try ..

Then...


Let's get started!


I'm not ready for writing in English in my all messages but I can try.. This will be useful for improving that..

I say, we can give our replies to questions in English, don't abstain from doing spelling and grammatical mistakes :)

Greetings..

sınav sorusu çözerek ingilizce hayatta gelişmez:icon_tdown: kanımca

Be cool. Requirement will lead to improvement. Believe me.

You have a good point, Sir. If only we were as willing and determined to use English in our messages as we are in asking questions and waiting for answers. Each of us should write or ask something in English every day so that all of us can benefit.

yes. i think so..


(aynen like this) :D

Yes, I think thats the best way of improving our English.I'm ready to try ;)

i recall having mentioned something like this before and some friends told it would make no sense as there were already pages/sites doing this. well, I like wrtiting things in english and conveying my idea in english. but the point is we are here as forum members and ready to help people which choice is appropriate and which are not. of course this is not english but here is what we call a forum.
However we, all the members of this forum, can, at least, do our best in expressing ourselves in English and skip to our mother tongue when we feel it is necessary.

i agree with you. but the fear to make mistake putting me to wrong way. that's way im often avoiding using english especially writing

i agree with you. but the fear to make mistake putting me to wrong way. that's way im often avoiding using english especially writing

well, do just what i do. say/write how u feel. let the words come out of your fingers. and we can correct any mistake of yours. and in this way you will proceed. and you will see/feel the difference, i promise.

i agree with you. but the fear to make mistake putting me to wrong way. that's way im often avoiding using english especially writing

No worry mate,

I am not fearing to making mistake, making mistakes is very humanic and as you are seeing in my these lines, there is very many mistakes. But its no problem , you can understood me and I can understood you. Ha?

shall i start a new topic "accuracy or fluency"?
i feel you say "come on!! we are fed up with that.":D

all of you are very helpful and that make me encouraged in using english.i will try to do more on this subject.